Can God do all things???

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In a message dated 97-11-01 11:44:49 EST, grimel@ibm.net  writes:

You:
<<Lack of  education/understanding is also how the garbage of "Separtation of
 Church and State" came into being.>>

Me:

More likely, it was due to the Christian community *deferring* to the
educational and legal communities. All they have to do to some is to claim
that this is an issue of (education, law, science, psychology, history, ad
nauseum), and that we could "not understand" it anyway. This , of course, is
not merely a legal or constitutional issue, but also, and more importantly, a
religious issue.
Deut 6:5-7
5	And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy
soul, and with all thy might.
6	And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
7	And *thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children*, and shalt talk of
them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and
when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
  
  > Me B4:
 > 
 > Actually, *science* should agree with the Bible.
 
You:
<Uh, no, when entering the sphere of another, they take precedence.>
 
Me:
Glad to see we agree here. Since, "In the *beginning* God created the heaven
and the earth." (Gen 1:1), then science, which, by its own admission, came
along *later*, has always entered into God's "sphere", and therefore God and
His Word will *always* take precedence.

The Word of God on creation and precedence (preeminence):
Col 1:16-18
16	For *by him* were *all things created*, that are in heaven, and that are
in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or
principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17	And he is *before all things*, and by him all things consist.
18	And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the
firstborn from the dead; that in *all things* he might have the
*preeminence*.

 
You:
 
 <They have no time to deal with a group of people unwilling and
 unable to logically discuss a topic.>

Me:
You mean they (scientists) are "unwilling or unable" to discuss spiritual
topics *spiritually* (not logically). Seems like they are trying to enter our
"sphere" (spiritual), and apply their rules (logic).  Hmmmmmm

1 Cor 2:14
14	But the natural man *receiveth not* the things of the Spirit of God: for
they are foolishness unto him: *neither can he know them*, because they are
*spiritually discerned*.

 
You:
 <Remember Azuza St?  Topeka
 Kansas?  Seems like some men were changing how the Bible was interpreted
 by the religious community.>>

Me:
Regarding Watch Night (December 31, 1900), Charles Parnham wrote , "To my
astonishment, they all had the *same story* that while there were different
things occurred when the Pentecostal blessing fell, the *indisputable proof*
on each occasion was that they *spake with other tongues*." 
(from "History of the Pentecostal Assemblies of the World", by Bishop Morris
E. Golder, M.A., p.15)

Sounds a lot like Acts 2:4, not anything new, or changed.
  
 
 You:
 <<In the begining God(answers 1st question of Big Bang) created the Heaven
 and the earth, (boom, it went kablooy)>>

Me:

No "Bang" (big or little) , "boom" , or "kablooy" in my Bible (KJV).

 You:
<  And
 God said let there be light(the fusion reaction 
 for the sun starts).  >>

Me:

Not according to Genesis.

Gen 1:3
3	And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
(KJV)

Gen 1:14-19
14	And God said, *Let there be lights* in the firmament of the heaven to
divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons,
and for days, and years:
15	And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light
upon the earth: and it was so.
16	And God made *two great lights*; the greater light to rule the day, and
the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17	And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the
earth,
18	And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from
the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19	And the evening and the morning were the *fourth day*.
(KJV)


You:
 <THAT'S MY POINT!!!!  MOST theologins don't have the foggiest idea what
 the scientists are saying, so why/how argue with the scientists?>

Me:

But the Holy Ghost knows exactly what is going on. If a person chooses to
think that a secular scientist is in a better position than a Holy Ghost
filled man or woman of God to decide what is "truth", then they deserve what
they get. The failure to recognize that these "scientific" truths actually
undermine the teachings of the Word of God is what has reduced our society to
what it has become today (immoral, ungodly, etc.  see Romans 1:29-31, below)

One of the greates lies of science is:
"Human, common name given to any individual of the species Homo sapiens
[which] is identified, for purposes of classification, as an *animal* "
"Human," Microsoft (R) Encarta. Copyright (c) 1994 Microsoft Corporation.
Copyright (c) 1994 Funk & Wagnall's Corporation.

But the Word of God says:
Heb 2:6-8
6	But one in a certain place testified, saying, *What is man*, that thou art
mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him?
7	Thou madest him *a little lower than the angels*; thou *crownedst him with
glory and honour*, and didst set him *over the works of thy hands*:
8	Thou hast put *all things in subjection under his feet*. For in that he put
all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But
now we see not yet all things put under him.
(KJV)

So when psychological (scientific) experiments are conducted on animals,
people must *act like animals* to agree with their findings. Is it any wonder
that some young people act like animals, rather than acting like they were
created in the image of God? Look at Maslow's pyramid, and how it
*deliberately* separates love and sex. But, when I studied Psychology in
college, I learned that "Maslow's view of human nature and human motives must
be taken LARGELY ON FAITH". (from "Psychology, an Introduction", by Kagan and
Havemenn). But FAITH is our word, not theirs. Sounds like there confusing
their "spheres" again. 
"Science" is busily stating that homosexuality is a natural condition, and
that anyone who does not accept this philosophy is a "homo-phobe", ignorant
and backwards, bigoted and prejudiced, etc... , even though it directly
contradicts the teachings of the Word of God:


Rom 1:21-31
21	Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither
were thankful; but became *vain in their imaginations*, and their foolish
heart was darkened.
22	Professing themselves to be *wise*, they became fools,
23	And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to
corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24	Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their
own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25	Who *changed the truth of God into a lie*, and *worshipped* and *served*
the *creature* more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26	For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women
did *change the natural use* into that which is against nature:
27	And likewise *also the men*, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned
in their lust one toward another; *men with men* working that which is
unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which
was meet.
28	And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave
them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29	Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness,
covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity;
whisperers,
30	Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil
things, disobedient to parents,
31	Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection,
implacable, unmerciful:
(KJV)


BTW, in my long and checkered career, I spent over 5 years working as a
Mental Health Technician for the Department of Mental Health and
Developmental Disabilities. We underwent months on end (40 hours/ week) of
 classroom training in psychological and psychiatric concepts. A great deal
of it was against what the Word of God taught then, and it still is today.
  
 
 You:
<They aren't fighting about theology, they are fighting about science.>

Me:

And this is exactly what they want you to think.
 
  
 You:
<They are discussing SCIENCE, they take what the Word of God says from
 what they are told by theologins.>

Me:

And , since there are so many different theological viewpoints, which do they
use...why, the one that will most easily support the hypothesis they wish to
prove on that particular day.
 
In summary, if you choose to believe all of this *science fiction* that these
guys are spouting, and that all of their intentions are 100% noble, please
don't criticize those of us who can see that these teachings often undermine
God's Word , and often are intended to do just that.


2 Cor 2:11
11	Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for *we are not ignorant of his
devices*.
(KJV)


Col 2:8
8	*Beware* lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after
the tradition of men, after the *rudiments of the world*, and not after
Christ.
(KJV)


Pastor (no wool over my eyes) Joe