Fwd: Any takers

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sorry  forgot the hyphen in the address
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Subj:    RE:  Any takers
Date:    97-11-16 11:03:44 EST
From:    BAdams7117
To:      higherfire@prairienet.org

The Scriptures you gave could be considered proof for my statement. 
However, I tend to take my argument from the following--Jesus defied
the conservative religious authority of His day. (Liberals today 
defy the laws of the land if they disagree with them). Jesus went 
out of His way to be rebellious to them. (Liberals-especially the ones
who have an agenda go out of their way to be rebellious.)
    

John Dahl writes the above passage in his post on 11/14

Dear brother John........do you really believe what you have stated here....I
understand your effort to prove a point but the facts need to be accurate for
a point to be made correctly......please consider your words

Jesus "did not"  defy anything or anyone.   He walked in perfect peace for He
was the Prince of Peace.   He came to "set a man at variance against" another
as stated in Matthew 10:34-39 and Luke 12:49-53 and cause "division"   BUT
this was in His perfect plan and done in Holiness as it was under control of
the only being always in "perfect control" of His emotions....JESUS Himself.
 Remember He was in the form of man yet "did not sin" as we would have given
the same situation I expect.
Hebrews 4:15 bears this out.

There also was not a "rebellious bone" in Jesus body.....He was the perfect
example of Godly behavior.....How could God  rebell against God?.....your
statements here are understood  but you need to use a different way of
explaining your point or else it has to be disqualified for it comes to a
conclusion without proper evidence.   Your facts simply anre incorrect
although I can see your heart here.

Please take this in the spirit it is meant....exhortation to good
works.....edification NOT tearing you down.    Many people of God feel as you
do...so you are not in the minority....yet you are incorrect just as they
are.   Is it possible to have feelings that are incorrect and still serve and
LOVE the one true God?     Of course it is.

A wise pastor once told me....you cant identify God with "politics"......its
like saying "military intelligence".....the words somehow prove out to be an
incorrect analogy.
Oil and water do not mix....they will stay in a solution for a while when
shaken...yet given a little time they will divide and become theri own
separate elements.

Jesus cautioned us that we were IN the world...,.yet not OF it (after we
became born-again).  We should be of good report among men....as Jesus was.
 (Jesus increased in wisdom and in stature and in favor with God and
man---Luke 2:42)

Titus tells us under unction of the Holy Ghost  to "avoid" foolish questions,
and geneologies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are
unprofitable and vain.  (Titus 3:9)    I believe we as "truth bearers" need
to spend more time on reconcilling men to God and less time in these matters
that seem to gender "strife"

Jesus is our JUDGE and if He would ever have been "rebellious" He could not
remain our judge and accurately judge mans rebellion to God.  He also could
not seek to undermine government nor advocate "defying" the laws of the land
and remain "HOLY" and instruct us to do the opposite of His actions in being
subject  to the leaders he has established in our land.   (Romans 13 should
point this out very effectively---there are other scriptures that go along in
this issue also)

So unfortunately your analogy just doesnt hold up to the acid test....Gods
WORD.
But thats OK.....we are to discuss our thoughts.....reason them out...how
else can we learn anything if we do not communicate with one another?   God
forbid we keep silent!!

So thanks for sharing your views on these matters.....I hope I have been able
to "shed some Light" from the WORD of God here for you.    We can discuss
this further if you wish but if not....Praise the Lord anyway!!!!

This is my first post here ....sorry it is so lengthy and HELLO out there in
"higher fire land"

In the arms of mercy and compassion---JESUS
bro bruce