Where I stand

"caryle clear" (cpcj@sprynet.com)
Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:26:34 -0500


Bro. Marx wrote:
| Steven Hall pretty well summerizes what most Apostolics believe about
| the name Jesus. However Yehoshuha had another idea. At the feast of
| dedication Yehoshuha procliamed himself the light of the world. Keep in
| mind that there is no J in his name. 
| 
| 
| 22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was
| winter.23 And Yehoshuha (Jesus) walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. 
| 24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost
| thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Mosihach ?(Christ), tell us
| plainly. 25 Yehoshuha (Jesus) answered them, I told you, and ye believed
| not:
|     

If I'm not mistaken, there is no "J" at all in the Hebrew language.  Taking
the above scriptures, writing "Jerusalem" instead of
"Yeruwshalaim/Yeruwshalayim" is also incorrect.  Likewise, writing "Jews"
instead of "Yehuwdaiy/Yehuwdiy".  If you're going to make an issue of
"Jesus", be consistant.  Bro. Marx, there are many many words which came
through the Greek and Germanic transliterations that today contain a "J". 
People of Spanish languages pronounce "Jesus Christos" (pron. as
"hay--sus").  Back when people spoke Latin, they called upon him saying
"Iesu Christe" ("J" is "I" in Latin).  Personally, I think the Lord knows
exactly who we mean.  He knows our hearts, even if our lips aren't saying
it "right".

BTW, I really don't understand the point you're trying to make here in the
first place.  Everyone on this list knows that Jesus is the Christ.  The
baptismal formula we use (at least in my church) is "...I now baptize you
in the name of Jesus Christ...", and God knows exactly what and who we
mean.
I recall several verses in the Bible talking about the baptismal formula:

Acts 2:38 (We all know, but just for kicks...) Then Peter said unto them,
Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for
the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were
baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

Acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. 
Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
(Recall verse 36--The word which God sent unto the children of Israel,
preaching peace by Jesus Christ (he is Lord of all:))

Acts 19:5 And when they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the
Lord Jesus.

It appears that this is the doctrine (teaching) that the apostles (who
actually learned from Jesus himself) preached and practiced.  If they were
doing it wrong, there's no hope for any of us.

"Jesus" identifies *who* he is.  "Christ" identifies *what* he is.  Do your
family and friends call you "Dr. Lennie Marx" or "Dr. Marx" all the time? 
I daresay they don't.  I think they call you "Lennie" (or some other
nickname).  "Dr." is *what* you are, not *who* you are.  But when you are
in formal circumstances, you *are* addressed as "Dr."  Likewise, when we
address Jesus in formal circumstances (like baptism), we use "Jesus
Christ".  Other times, I see nothing wrong with just saying "Jesus".  In
the Bible, (Rom. 8:15, Gal. 4:6) we learn that we can now call to God
saying "Abba" (an endearing way to say "Father"), hardly a "formal" title. 
We are his family, we don't have to use formal terms all the time.


Anyway...
Anneliese